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Let’s conduct an experiment, shall we?

Well, I certainly got a lot more than I bargained for when I talked about the need to clarify RMT, especially when it comes to out of game activities like Twitch streaming. In the preceding article, Don’t Blink  I offered up an argument for RMT based on a solid argument given by the crew of the High Drag Podcast. It struck me as a curious and powerful argument despite the fact that I LOVE Twitch streamers like Fintarue who inspire me.

I thought the point was just a little more powerful than Ashterothi realized. Setting out to answer the question of Twitch streamers giving in-game prizes to subscribers and it’s relation to the Somerblink Pt. 3 scandal, I blogged about it and hoped to get a few nibbles. Next day, I discovered traffic from Reddit so I set out to see what was being said.

Firstly, I’d like to thank “SeriousSpaceships” for the linkup. This also appeared to be a first poster, so take that with a grain of salt. That said, the title of the linked post on Reddit was a bit out of context. In my fascination to get the topic out, perhaps I came across as accusatory. Let me assure everyone that this was definitely not the case. Again, I support our communities out of game (with notable exceptions because of content or drama). But out of the haze of typical Reddit crap posts, some nuggets of enlightenment and understanding of the context were starting to surface on the gold pan. I decided to take control of the Reddit thread and try to steer the helm on topic, despite it’s rocky start.

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Now, I’m not saying that Reddit is a be-all-end-all definitive source of information and scientific accuracy, but some of the responses honestly took me aback. The people who raged about the post were just sick of the RMT issue and didn’t want to hear any more tinfoil (and honestly, I don’t blame them). But the few who were actually trying to help me defend and give reasoning against Ashterothi’s argument just made absolutely no sense to me:

“The whole thing has to be extremely repetitive and consequential. If a guy gives me ISK which he expects to be repayed at a time and place, sometime in the future, maybe, if i want to, in IRL money… That’s not RMT.”

“But it isn’t “for every X ISK I give away I gain Y $” the giveaways, contests and the like hopefully attract viewers and subscribers however they do not promise either. The Somer RMT plot was based on “buy this item from the dude who pays me, I will give you X amount of ISK for the item you used $ to pay for.” thus direct ISK to $.”

“Yeah because lowtax is swimming in money from Goonwaffe J4Gs, and J4Gs are unequivocally accepted into Goonwaffe.”

So the reasoning that we were given depended greatly on circumstances such as:

  1. Amount of revenue
  2. Frequency of revenue
  3. The inherent stability of the revenue stream.

Overall, at about a 50% margin throughout the day, people seem to be divided among the responders to the thread. The Reddit topic floated all day from +5 to -3 and stabilized by tonight at a +1 51% rating. That tells me that despite the typical Reddit flak cannons, this does seem to be a concern of a random sample of people about just how far CCP COULD feasibly go if it chose to take up this subject as an RMT issue. Again, this is totally NOT scientific in the least, but the results are fascinating to me.

Now. Do I think CCP would ever get involved in Twitch revenue? Hell no. Then again, I didn’t think Obama would get a second term so there you go. I want to thank Ashterothi and the crew of the High Drag Podcast again for the inspiration of this little social experiment. Fintarue and all you other Twitch streamers: Keep doing what you’re doing. Give those prizes, make some pocket cash, and may you always have targets to publicly blow up. Thank you all for participating and we’ll see you next time!

7o

The Art of Tears – The Meta of Mean

A lone miner sits in high sec staring at his screen watching the pulsing of lasers play with the asteroids before him. It’s a 0.5 system so there is somewhat a sense of alertness, but not enough to distract him from his coffee and perhaps nudging his cat playing at his feet amongst the tangled web of cords that run behind the desk. While he looks down, a lone Catalyst destroyer warps into the belt and very slowly, non-threateningly, seems to be scouring about the belt.

“Could he be looking for rats? What’s he doing? Can’t he see that there’s nobody here but me?”

Okay, so we all know how this goes down. Destroyer locks miner; destroyer kills miner; miner is podded before Concord blows the griefer into space dust. What follows is usually one of two events – nothing but silence or nothing but tears. When the why’s and public conversation starts, most high-sec gankers usually use this opportune moment to teach the victim about why he got ganked and how he can avoid it in the future. But for some, ganking is a trollfest of “QQ more, noob!” and “HTFU”. But when the attacks on the griefer get personal, that’s usually when things go very badly for the victim. Tentron (for those who remember the videos) was a master at extracting tears to an unreal level. In case you don’t remember:

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During my time in Fatal Ascension, I read about the story of SETC’s infamous robbery of over 250 billion from FA. The ensuing hilarity that followed was of false legal claims because FA promptly (and justifiably) blacklisted SETC. The Mittani.com article on this subject back in 2012 contains the information straight to Fatal Ascension’s message boards. The disastrous attempt at bluffing through fictitious legal jargon destroyed many a keyboard with the eruptions of beverages that were spewed uncontrollably.

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Recently, we had yet another example of what happens when you take the game, the smack talk, and the meta way too seriously. For months there’s been an uneasy tension on the Podside podcast between Red and the other guests of the show. Now to what degree Red is at fault here is up for debate based on your point of view, but I think for the most part the general consensus was that things were taken a bit too seriously causing Red to fly off the handle at the end of Episode 172. The ensuing rage spilled over to the after show where Red supposedly made a personal attack on Spear and his wife causing Bronya to stop playing nice go back on the offensive. A very inebriated Harri then had enough of the conversation and basically called for the dropping of the ban hammer, which was shortly leveled.

So what have we learned?

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Griefers will always be around. The psychological reasons are irrelevant as far as I’m concerned. Whether you participate in it or are the victim of it, you will always come out the laughing stock if you try to play the game on the griefer’s level. If someone ganks you and you spend time trying to extract revenge, griefer claims victory – they altered your gameplay whether you were successful or not. If said griefer simply scams you out of isk and you take to the forums, griefer claims victory – you now look like a gullible crybaby. If you are easily agitated to the point of yelling and screaming, griefer doesn’t have to claim victory – you’re pretty much going to make yourself look like an idiot who probably deserved what he got.

Now, I don’t fancy myself as someone who’d enjoy griefing or piracy. It’s just not in my nature. I do however, revel in the stories of fantastic tears harvested from the eyes of the dirty varmint who probably would just as soon unsub from the game before ever partaking in any kind of PvP. Don’t be deceived: griefing is PvP on, what feels like, a more personal level. It’s personal because you allowed yourself to be put in a situation where not only were you caught off guard, but taken advantage of. That’s what the tear farmer feeds upon, the personal nature of griefing his mark. It may sound inherently evil, but taking advantage of a sucker is just how the world’s always worked. It’s only through the pseudo anonymity of the internet that seems to manifest more people willing to take from someone just because they can without real consequences.

So, how do you win against griefing tactics and scammers? THANK THEM! Seriously.

Show appreciation for their efforts. They may have detoured your gameplay for a few minutes and cost you some isk, but they probably spent HOURS trying to find just the right target. None of this is personal. To them, you are pixels on a screen, isk in their wallet, or an easy target of personal trolling. If your personality is of a sensitive nature and you are prone to being offended easily, this is NOT the game for you. If you exercise just a little restraint to prevent yourself from going overboard, you’ll find that you can have fun at your own expense.

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In some cases, I’ve even heard about the victim turning the tables who convo’ed the attacker, smothered them with kindness, then actually made the ganker upset because he wasted all this time and isk…for a compliment? A few years ago, I got blapped pretty hard trying to move some stuff out of null. Lack of due diligence on my part cost me a load of BPCs and a Dramiel. Now since this was back before killboards distinquished between BPC and BPO, the isk loss calculated still haunts my stats to this day. Since then, it’s affected every aspect of my gameplay from a defensive standpoint. I just don’t take those kind of risks anymore.

So never any tears shall be shed from these eyes. Gankers taught me more than I ever learned from playing without PvP. Thank you to all who participate in this meta. May your tear harvest be plentiful…and don’t be afraid to share the stories!

Forum Wars

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The Eve-O Forums.  Sometimes just the idea of reading through page after page of 1% content and 99% trolling gives even the most hardened CCP Dev or CSM shakes of anxiety.  Like it or not, the forums have been (and most likely will always be) Eve Online’s second warzone.  Behaviors and characterizations in-game are sometimes magnified when in-game matters get posted about on the forums.  Many people up until that particular point which caused them to post, especially in the General Discussion Threads, have either never or rarely posted before.  Unfortunately, this could make dealing with their particular issue worse.

Take this thread for example:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=308498

Now this is a thread that’s ripe for calls of “Troll” and “Moar Tears Plz”.  Now take a step back from this for just a moment and we see a familiar request: OP posts issue, flaming ensues but through the smoke a point is made, issue is resolved but the flame posts keep coming.  New people are coming into the thread who read the first few posts, then reply without realizing that there was a resolution. The OP is powerless to stop it.  The issue was resolved, but post upon post of people naive of the resolution just keep pounding away.  There’s no way to close the thread without moderator intervention.  Flaming continues without regard.  The forums are awash with this because the forums are Eve’s battlefields out of game.

Do you feel like it goes too far sometimes? Should the original poster of a thread be allowed to close it without moderator intervention?